# First Marine Tank



## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Hi All, 

I am buying a 22" Wide X 18 " 25 " High Deep Marine Tank 

Its called a Interpet River/Reef 94 L


How many fish could you put in this and can you mix fish . LIke sharks with Delicate fish, Sea horses Etc ? 

I dont want to over crowd it . 

Also being my first tank how hard is it to keep everything alive, Dont want to kill expensive fish ? 

I also live in a very very warm flat even without heating on . Will this effect the tank . ? 


Cheers Steve


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## Guest (May 4, 2009)

Have you done your research? Marine fishkeeping is quite difficult and if you don't do your homework you could end up making huge mistakes. The secret to keeping everything alive is one thing: RESEARCH! 

Most sharks will grow far too large for such a tank and in my honest opinion they shouldn't be kept in captivity except for research purposes. Many species are also on the CITES list of endangered species. Seahorses are also fairly difficult to keep and you should start out with something easier until you attempt to keep them.

Overheating can be a problem, the Interpet River reef tanks have closed in hoods. If you intend to keep corals then due to the lighting stick to the hardy soft species such as _Sarcophyton_, _Sinularia_, _Xenia_ and _Lobophyton_ sp. . SPS hard corals such as Acropora are very demanding in terms of light, water quality, water movement and calcium, they also aren't very tolerant of temperature fluctuations. Most low-light invertebrates such as shrimps, snails and crabs should be fine.


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## Guest (May 6, 2009)

Fishyfins said:


> now, what i am about to say will go against everything you will read and be told, but im gonna say it anyway, because it is something i firmy believe in. DO NOT USE A PROTEIN SKIMMER!!!! these pieces of equipment are probably the biggest waste of money in the marine trade. they certainly do a good job, but they do far too good a job, and remove all the good stuff from the water, as well as the bad. this needs to be replaced if you are to be successful, and is expensive and can be dangerous to do so if not done correctly. i have been keeping marine fish for a good 5 or 6 years now, and i have never used a skimmer on any of my tanks, and have never had a single problem. indeed, my father has always sworn by skimmers, and is constanrtly having problems. the one time the skimmer was taken offline, was the only time the tank has been stable. but this isnt to say you dont need someting to do the job. there is a wonderful product out there called purigen, made by seachem, that, when added to the filter, does the exact same job, but leaving the good stuff in the water. i have used this for many years, with excelent results. it just needs changing every few months. some people say that skimmers are needed, but i have proved this wrong time and time again.


I agree with you on that one, I used to be a 'skimmer addict' however I've now been lured over to the natural side of reefkeeping which basically means the Leng sy Ecosystem method. It's cheap, effective and does away with equipment which simply takes up too much space!


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Thanks guys , Thats really great info . Yes I think its a rich mans hoobby . I actually bought a 250 red sea plug and play fish tank tonight on line expecting the delivery within 2-3 days as promised to recieve an email sying they cant deliver for a month . So I canceled this but I think a good tank will help a novice quite considerably . I find fish tanks to very relaxing and yes quite an intelligent and responsible hobby. But then they are so facinating colourful and full of life . I would hate to harm a fish by not doing research which is why i asked for advise . Thanks for being so helpfull. Its great to speak to people with real experiance of marine tank fish keeping

What facinating is the corals can sting each other and eat each other also and you cant exactly say you naughtly piece of coral dont do it again. So yes I probably will be asking for lots of advise . Having said that my cat takes no notice either.

I quite like the orange and white clowns and also this funny little fellow

http://www.tropicalfish4u.co.uk/Fish/SaltwaterAndMarineFish/Boxfish/YellowBoxfish

Iam not sure about ordering live fish on line though and having them sent in the post . I think you could get caught like that . In Manchester where I live we have an aquarium called Oasis . Very expensive but you get to see the fish and ask questions also.

I am not sure if the red sea tanks are suitable for fish or really designed for corals only . I seem to have spent thousands in my mind ready and the red sea tank was £1299.00 new but not sure where I could second hand one from which could be an option as a starter fish/coral keeper.

I am very keen on the idea however but wonder what I will do if was to go on a holiday . Iam not sure my friends would be as caring for the fish as I would be . Perhaps one should join a fish carers support group or something to look after peoples fish when one has to leave residence for any length of time .

Ill have a look for all the fish youve mentioned when I recover from the stress of trying to get my money back. Typical impulse buyer 

I live in a small very warm 14th storey flat where heat rises up from flats below even with all the heating off so a cooler may also be something I need and not sure what to get for this size tank .

It seems very complicted to get all the right fish with right corals so I will start very slowly and work precusiouly at it. I dont know I could get emotional over a fish but the expense is certainly very emotional. I would certianly be very dissapointed if I lost beautifull fish. The stars are beautifull but they are carnivors I believe .

Pity about the seahorses . It seems their are many restrictions to keeping a happy environment so building a beautifull aquarium is something to be quite proud off, I would think. Ill but some books first and start the research . Eventually get the tank and rocks and build from there.

Thats £2,000 to start with isnt it ? . MMMM

Ill have to put up with my crapy lounge for little bit longer .

No wonder these aquariums are rubbing their hands together at the site of a customer.

Never mind thats the bug you get I guess

Thanks for your help :thumbup1:


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Hi Jimmy

This would be my selection of fish

Tank Bred Tomato Clown, Mail Order Tank Bred Tomato Clown delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellowtail Damselfish, Mail Order Yellowtail Damselfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellowtail Damselfish, Mail Order Yellowtail Damselfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Tank Bred Percula Clown, Mail Order Tank Bred Percula Clown delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Falcula Butterfly, Mail Order Falcula Butterfly delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Longnose Butterflyfish, Mail Order Longnose Butterflyfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Spotted Cardinalfish, Mail Order Spotted Cardinalfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Green Mandarin, Mail Order Green Mandarin delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Foxface Lo, Mail Order Foxface Lo delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Powder Blue Tang, Mail Order Powder Blue Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sailfin Tang, Mail Order Sailfin Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellow Tang, Mail Order Yellow Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

AND MY FAVOURITE

Clown Triggerfish, Mail Order Clown Triggerfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

MOST SEEM TO BE YELLOW FISH FROM THIS SITE BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SELECTION APPART FROM MY DOUBTFUL FAVOURITE

This would be my selection of crabs invertebrates

Flame Scallop, Mail Order Flame Scallop delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Bulb Anemone, Mail Order Bulb Anemone delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Boxer Crab, Mail Order Boxer Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Electric Blue Hermit Crab, Mail Order Electric Blue Hermit Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab, Mail Order Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sally Lightfoot Crab, Mail Order Sally Lightfoot Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Stars If I had one 
Would this one be OK ?

Linckia Sea Star, Blue, Mail Order Linckia Sea Star, Blue delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Soft Corals . I can live without hard corals

Toadstool Leather Coral, Mail Order Toadstool Leather Coral delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Orange SPonge, Mail Order Orange SPonge delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sea Squirt, Mail Order Sea Squirt delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Red Mushroom, Mail Order Red Mushroom delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Spotted Mushroom, Mail Order Spotted Mushroom delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Devils Leather Finger, Mail Order Devils Leather Finger delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Like all these polyps

Polyps - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

And these

Two Species coral rock, Mail Order Two Species coral rock delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

What About Moss Balls ?

Mossballs, Mail Order Mossballs delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Cheers


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Hi Jimmy

This would be my selection of fish

Tank Bred Tomato Clown, Mail Order Tank Bred Tomato Clown delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellowtail Damselfish, Mail Order Yellowtail Damselfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellow Boxfish, Mail Order Yellow Boxfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Tank Bred Percula Clown, Mail Order Tank Bred Percula Clown delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Falcula Butterfly, Mail Order Falcula Butterfly delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Longnose Butterflyfish, Mail Order Longnose Butterflyfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Spotted Cardinalfish, Mail Order Spotted Cardinalfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Green Mandarin, Mail Order Green Mandarin delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Foxface Lo, Mail Order Foxface Lo delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Powder Blue Tang, Mail Order Powder Blue Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sailfin Tang, Mail Order Sailfin Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Yellow Tang, Mail Order Yellow Tang delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

AND MY FAVOURITE

Clown Triggerfish, Mail Order Clown Triggerfish delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

MOST SEEM TO BE YELLOW FISH FROM THIS SITE BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SELECTION APPART FROM MY DOUBTFUL FAVOURITE

This would be my selection of crabs invertebrates

Flame Scallop, Mail Order Flame Scallop delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Bulb Anemone, Mail Order Bulb Anemone delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Boxer Crab, Mail Order Boxer Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Electric Blue Hermit Crab, Mail Order Electric Blue Hermit Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab, Mail Order Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sally Lightfoot Crab, Mail Order Sally Lightfoot Crab delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Stars If I had one 
Would this one be OK ?

Linckia Sea Star, Blue, Mail Order Linckia Sea Star, Blue delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Soft Corals . I can live without hard corals

Toadstool Leather Coral, Mail Order Toadstool Leather Coral delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Orange SPonge, Mail Order Orange SPonge delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Sea Squirt, Mail Order Sea Squirt delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Red Mushroom, Mail Order Red Mushroom delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Spotted Mushroom, Mail Order Spotted Mushroom delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Devils Leather Finger, Mail Order Devils Leather Finger delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Like all these polyps

Polyps - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

And these

Two Species coral rock, Mail Order Two Species coral rock delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

What About Moss Balls ?

Mossballs, Mail Order Mossballs delivered to your door - AquaticLifeDirect.co.uk

Cheers


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## Guest (May 7, 2009)

SteveLawrence said:


> Thanks guys , Thats really great info . Yes I think its a rich mans hoobby . I actually bought a 250 red sea plug and play fish tank tonight on line expecting the delivery within 2-3 days as promised to recieve an email sying they cant deliver for a month . So I canceled this but I think a good tank will help a novice quite considerably . I find fish tanks to very relaxing and yes quite an intelligent and responsible hobby. But then they are so facinating colourful and full of life . I would hate to harm a fish by not doing research which is why i asked for advise . Thanks for being so helpfull. Its great to speak to people with real experiance of marine tank fish keeping
> 
> What facinating is the corals can sting each other and eat each other also and you cant exactly say you naughtly piece of coral dont do it again. So yes I probably will be asking for lots of advise . Having said that my cat takes no notice either.
> 
> ...


I remember when I first started marine fishkeeping, questions, questions, questions... 

The tank will be fine for fish and corals, however you can't put as many fish into a marine tank as you can in a freshwater aquarium. The ocean is a huge expanse of water so forget about being capable of replicating a fully-fledged reef aquarium which looks like something out of the Blue planet. While you can make it look realistic and interesting there are limitations.

The boxfish which you have mentioned in the link isn't a good idea, these fish grow too large for your tank. Oasis aquatics is very good, ordering fish over the net may be convenient however the fish may not arrive in one piece. Marine fish and corals aren't very cheap, so the prices at Oasis are pretty much standard.

Marine fishkeeping isn't that easy.

You will also need the following...

Refractometer (for measuring salinity) £30
Salt (choose a good reef-grade salt) £50 for a 20kg bucket
Reverse osmosis water (you can't use ordinary tapwater in marine aquariums)
Carbon and rowaphos (for chemical filtration) £15-30
Food £15 (you will of course have to replace it as it runs out)
Net £2-3
Buckets (for water changes)
Additional pumps (usually the water movement in off the shelf aquariums needs to be upgraded for marine use)
Live rock (biological filtration) £8-12 per kilo, you will need approximately 1kg of rock per 10 litres of water.
Algae magnet £5
Media bags £4-5
Additives for calcium and magnesium £20
Test kits (for pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, phosphate, KH and calcium) £40

As you can see, this isn't a cheap hobby, you are easily looking at around an extra £300-400 worth of accessories, and this doesn't even include the fish.


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## Guest (May 7, 2009)

SteveLawrence said:


> Hi Jimmy
> 
> This would be my selection of fish
> 
> ...


You can't put all of those fish in at the same time, otherwise you would have a miniature ecological nightmare.

These would be my own recommendations out of your list...

2x Percula or Common clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris), larger species such as the Maroon clownfish (Premnas bicolor) can be very aggressive.
1-2x Spotted cardinalfish

Along with... (assuming you are buying the larger Red Sea aquarium)

1x Yellow watchman goby
1x Dwarf angel (Centropyge sp.), some species can nip corals however one of the safest species is the Coral beauty.
1x _Pseudochromis _sp. or Royal Gramma (_Gramma loreto_)

Recommended corals...

_Sarcophyton_ sp. (The toadstool and Leather finger corals belong to this genus)
Red mushrooms (quite easy to keep)
Spotted mushrooms
_Lobophyton_ sp.
_Sinularia_ sp. (other finger corals)
_Xenia_ sp.
_Ricordea_ sp.

Inverts:

Shrimp species such as the Cleaner shrimp (_Lysmata amboinensis_) and the Peppermint shrimp (_Lysmata __wurdmanii_)

Blue leg hermit crabs

Linckia sp. starfish (however these do need good water quality)

_Astraea_ snails

Other little critters which appear on the live rock, such as copepods, feather dusters, small crabs, polyps etc. Keep your eyes peeled for a common pest anemone known as _Aiptasia_.

Possibly an Emerald mithrax crab to control bubble algae.

NOT recommended for reasons which I have listed below...

Fish...

Yellowtail Damselfish- Quite aggressive

Yellow Boxfish- Too big

Facula butterflyfish- Too big and these do require a constant food supply of sponges, which can be very hard to maintain.

Longnose butterflyfish- Too big and the same dietary requirements as above.

Green mandarin- Too difficult, these rarely last long in most tanks due to lack of a suitable food supply, notably Copepods.

Foxface- Too big and these are venomous.

Powder blue tang- Too big

Sailfin tang- Too big

Yellow tang- Too big

Clown Triggerfish- Too big and quite aggressive.

Corals...

Sponges- Difficult to keep.

SPS hard corals- Quite difficult to keep and very demanding of light, calcium, water quality etc.

Inverts...

Bulb anemones- Very few anemones last long in aquariums.

Boxer crabs- Can eat small fish.

And finally...

The mossballs, these are freshwater aquarium plants. Put them inside a marine tank and they won't last very long.


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Hey thanks for that luke , 

Ive been out of action , I got my money back for the tank so I can think more seriously about which tank to get now. 

Yes Iam certainly going think long and hard here , because the dream and the reality is very different , But i will persue with your advises one way or another .. Thats great info.

It might be some time before I get started I think . But I guess the info will stay here for when I do and also be a great help for others too 


Cheeers


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## jennismortal (May 22, 2009)

This is really good information.You have done an great job.Much of the information available here is derived from my opinions and experiences based on over two decades of raising tropical fish, maintaining my own tanks, helping friends to get their own aquaria started, extensive reading of literature available regarding the aquarium hobby and industry, and, more recently.

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Good source for fish tank aquariums


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

Its great info, But all the fish I like are aggressive and poiseness 

Not sure if the colourfull dream of having a beauifull fish tank is a reallity . I have seen really beautifull tanks though with loads of colourful fish in them which is the attraction to own one. 

Would a different tank allow for more colourfull fish in it that were compatible to a patricular envoironment I wonder . 

I have heard of species tanks but what about a tank full of colorfull aggressive fish. 

The Red sea max seems limited but yet sold as easy to maintain.


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## Guest (May 31, 2009)

SteveLawrence said:


> Its great info, But all the fish I like are aggressive and poiseness
> 
> Not sure if the colourfull dream of having a beauifull fish tank is a reallity . I have seen really beautifull tanks though with loads of colourful fish in them which is the attraction to own one.
> 
> ...


The colour of these fish is the point of attraction for most people, however they do get quite a shock when they realize that it isn't so simple. Most marine fishkeepers tend to focus on growing corals these days and seem to have relatively low numbers of fish.

Tank manufacturers will do anything to describe their tanks as 'easy to maintain', after all this is what tends to grab new fishkeepers. However this description is the biggest trick in the book, the prospective owners don't realize how much time and extra money that these tanks require, often to the point where they feel like throwing in the towel.

Most of the species on your wishlist can grow to at least 20cm/8" in length, although size isn't the only thing to consider. You need to make sure that you have a tank large enough to allow the fish to form territories, the oceans are much larger than the average aquarium. For example, Surgeonfish are naturally aggressive to each other, and this applies to different species. If you wanted to keep two Surgeonfish such as the Sailfin tang then you will need a 6 x 2 x 2ft tank as an absolute minimum.


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

I guess I could have corals and crabs and a star fish instead with very few fish , Because the corals although they can sting each other are very colourfull arnt they.

Seems to be a lower risk solution also particularily if you dont like dead fish. But I wouldnt need a big tank if iam just wanting a variety of a few coulorfull corals , Crabs, A star fish and 2 -3 fish

What I am also thinking about though luke is getting a wall tank to start with like this Aquavista Aquariums, Online Aquarium Store

Its a fresh water tank but will start me out and then progress from there as it seems to be a sensible thing to crawl before you learn to walk when it comes to very delicate fish keeping.

What would you suggest about that wall tank ?


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## Guest (Jun 2, 2009)

I would suggest leaving the on-the-wall tank, it's overpriced for what it is and you can see that it is quite narrow, this will result in a low surface area which will effect the stocking capabilities of the tank. It would be much better to look into a standard rectangular aquarium such as those from Fluval or Juwel, there are some pretty good looking tanks available from these brands, and at a lower price.


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## SteveLawrence (May 4, 2009)

OK - IVE DONE IT - IVE BOUGHT THE TANK 

A 22" Wide X 18 " 25 " High Deep Marine Tank 

Its called a Interpet River/Reef 94 L

I GOT THE FIRST ONE I DECIDED ON FROM OASIS 

Its set up with salt water bought from oasis dry rock, sand, all washed 

It has a heater, fan, thermostat, and an air tube . 

It came with a starter kit but i think it is for tap water so I havent added the solutions just in case. 

Its a bit cloudy still because its only been on for an hour. :thumbsup:

DAY 2 : 

PUT IN LIVE ROCK SOME REALLY NICE PIECES TOO. 

ADDED ALL THE BEGINER SOFT CORALS - YELLOWS REDS GREENS BLUES 

ADDED 2 SHAVING BRUSHES - ALGAE TREES 

PUT IN ONE GREEN PIECE OF SOFT SEAWEED AND A HARD STEMED PIECE OF MARONE SEAWEED 

A RED PIECE OF CORAL THAT EXTENDS ITSELF AT NIGHT AND FALLS FLAT DURING THE DAY 

ADDED 3 SHRIMPS AND 4 CRABS 

ITS LAYED OUT SO THERE ARE LOTS OF TUNNELS ON THE BOTTEM OF THE TANK NEAR THE SAND AND THROUGHOUT THE WALL OF ROCK . 

JUST NEED 2 MORE PIECES OF SMALL LIVE ROCK AT THE TOP TO FINISH IT AND THEN I HAVE TO WAIT 5 WEEKS BEFORE ADDING OTHER CORALS AND FISH APPARENTLY. BUT IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT AND I AM VERY PLEASED WITH IT SO FAR . 

BECAUSE ITS A SMALLER TANK I DIDNT WANT TO OVERLOAD IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER INTERETSING CORALS ETC YOU CAN PUT IN AFTER THE TANK IS SETTLED BUT IT HAS A GOOD MIX FOR NOW . 

SO THATS IT FOR THE NEXT 5 WEEKS £800 - SO FAR

DAY 3 : 

DISASTER STRIKES - HOT DAY - TANK TEMP RISES TO 30 % LOOSE MOST COULORED BUTTON MUSHROOMS - FIRST STARTED WITH A LONG BROWN TOXIC STRING OF WASTE AND THEN EVENTUALLY ATE THE WHOLE OF THE MUSHROOMS 


2 OF THE MUSHROOMS SURROUNDED THEMSELVES IN A CLEAR PROTECTIVE BUBBLE AND ARE STILL OK . ALL OTHER CORALS SEEM FINE 

QUICKLY RACED TO SHOP AND BOUGHT FISH TANK FAN TO COOL TANK WHICH WORKED ADDED MORE ROCK AND GREEN POLYPS 


APPR0X DAMAGE £125 - 

ADDITIONAL EXPENSE £95.00 GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE BUT THATS IT UNTILL IAM SURE I DONT KILL EVERYTHING IN THE TANK


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## nic101 (Jun 8, 2009)

have you cycled the tank???


im assuming its the samde as tropical keeping - cycling is essential!

as for marine - good luck.... ive kept freshwater upto now and desparate to try marine but cant justify the costs right now lol!


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## christine0808 (Aug 12, 2009)

try a spieces only tank first,like malawi cichlids or maybe discus.
just to get an idea of water quality control.ive had tanks since i can remember and work in aquatics and i still cant afford or would hav the time to look after a marine tank lol


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## nic101 (Jun 8, 2009)

christine0808 said:


> try a spieces only tank first,like malawi cichlids or maybe discus.
> just to get an idea of water quality control.ive had tanks since i can remember and work in aquatics and i still cant afford or would hav the time to look after a marine tank lol


but they are all tropical and hes bought marine rocks etc.....

but yeh i wouldnt go marine until you have been tropical for a few years imo - you will loose money when you start out - just marine is far more epensive than tropical ;-)


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